INTRODUCTION
In March/April
this year 2003, Acord embarked on a historic venture, never undertaken by an
established NGO in a rich country before, the transfer of its HQ to
Aid flows to
Acord was
established in 1976 and currently, has a turnover of about £8 millions,
operating only in
1.1
J Boima Rogers (JBR) Twenty-seven years after Acord was established you have decided to
move the HQ to
David Waller (DW) Well almost everything
in the sense that it involves a lot of new staff as a lot of staff (in the
1.2 JBR Acord may have moved its HQ but funding will still be from rich countries, what efforts are being made to increase funding from local sources, partly from the symbolism that Africans and organisations based on the continent own Acord in that respect but also to ensure that local priorities are reflected in Acord’s programmes?
DW The funding situation is complicated
in that increasingly northern donors are decentralising some of their decision
making about funds so that an increasing proportion of our funding is what we
call local, that is raised in the country but most of that is still actually from
the north, it is just coming from the local office. The only complication is that many donors, with good reason, are putting more of their funding
through sector-wide approach or budget support direct to governments so that
increasingly governments in
1.3 JBR Acord’s stated objectives are improving civil society, helping resolve conflict, overcoming discrimination, improving livelihoods and addressing issues on the HIV/Aids pandemic, a pretty broad remit, how will the move realise these objectives? In particular, how will the move affect the key actions such as: research, support to local organisations, mobilising resources, influencing relevant policies, practices and attitudes, working in alliance with others and working across national boundaries?
DW Acord has always been involved with research; its title actually means Agency for Cooperation, Research and Development so we’ve always been involved in that. The issue really facing us is why we are doing these projects, why are we doing research and what is the change we want to bring. What we are seeing is that whatever our work, whether it is livelihoods or aids or gender and however we are doing it, we’re trying to address what we call ‘social action’ in other words people working together to bring about a more just society for those in Africa. This will be part of our work. And indeed part of how we manage ourselves as an organisation so that research on all these things you have listed here, supporting local organisations, fundraising, advocacy, working in alliance with others, working across boundaries they are all related to bringing about change, that’s the core objective that runs through what we do. We do practical work that is very important to people who are on the margins and in very dire material situations of poverty but we also address these more strategic issues of research advocacy so it is getting the synergy of doing those things together rather than doing them as separate projects.
1.4 JBR How exactly would your move improve on you are currently doing?
DW Some of it is being closer to the
action and developing capacity in
1.5 JBR Do you see other NGOs in rich countries following suit?
DW Well most NGO’s are institutions in their country of origins as they have thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of volunteers working for them perhaps in their shops, they have thousands of people giving direct subscriptions and they are more institutionally rooted in the North and that puts them in a slightly different position. Acord has always received its funding since its creation as a consortium from other agencies which means that we are not institutionally rooted, infact we started life in Geneva and moved to Amsterdam then London 20 years ago and now to Nairobi, so we have a flexibility to move which other agencies don’t have, having said that I think other agencies are considering it but I think it will be slightly different for them, but I think the question is being asked and addressed in slightly different ways
2.1
JBR Aid flows form two thirds of capital flows into Sub-Saharan Africa,
the second highest proportion of aid/private capital flows for all regions in
the world. Is
DW Big issue – funding is part of the
issue but also capacity of governments is another part of the problem. I think the major problem is that within the
context of globalisation African governments are fairly powerless on the global
scene and they are constrained by an interlocking set of rules around aid,
trade, debt, government policies and increasingly in the war against terrorism
which is like a new cold war whereby people are divided into goodies and
baddies on whether they support the war against terrorism or not. All these
rules are interlocking and used together. I think
2.2 JBR The last two decades of the 20th century saw the emergence of NGOs as a major force, in some cases the dominant force in development in Africa, the most active of these are based in rich countries, taking over roles normally performed by governments, a scenario that has been described as neo-colonisation in different clothing, do you subscribe to that view?
DW Yes I think there is a rather frightening
parallel between the language of colonialism, which was around civilising and
the language of NGO’s around modernising and around development. I think it comes out in a mindset that you
see in debates in the North with a presumption that we in the North have the
solution and that we can provide that solution to
2.3
JBR Now that many countries in
DW NEPAD is a process. It had a difficult start in that it’s origins were contested and it wasn’t terribly participative and even now it is not widely known and translated across the continent but like the PRSPs they are not necessarily going to go away and they are dynamics we should be engaged in. Greater funding should be part of the equation as has been promised but it also needs to be used well. But how do you avoid the destructive side of conditionalities while also not just putting money into some regimes that are struggling for legitimacy.
But what you don’t have to do is to swing from one extreme to the other; NGO’s were the flavour of the month in the 1980s and 90s. There is a danger now that it swings to the other extreme that the only legitimacy is governments. I think you need both, governments, including our own need to be held to account by civil society but governments have a legitimacy that NGOs do not so you need both of them. The great danger is that you have fashions in aid that are swinging from one to the other
2.4 JBR What are your views about the effect of globalisation on the continent and what can stakeholders do to minimize the negative effects and enhance the positive effects of this phenomenon?
DW Well there has been a tendency of NGOs in the past as part of marketing themselves as having the solution to problems relating to the dynamics of globalisation. There is no one institution that has the power to deal with that, when you see that even European countries are ignored and tossed aside you can see how weak African governments are going to be if the West really decides it is against them. I think the only way that is to work together with people and organisations that share interests, that is, alliances with social movements, African governments, northern rich countries and donors. An alliance of values not just an alliance of contract based on aid flows. An alliance based on what we are trying to achieve and goals that reflects shared values. Building such alliances and movements may be largely unproven but we feel there is no alternative.
2.5 JBR What is Acord doing to shape the debate and in effecting its policies on globalisation?
DW Last year we brought together our
staff and some of our partners to look at the effect of globalisation on
2.6 JBR Although Acord is obviously preoccupied with marginalized sections of society who do not have the means or opportunity to function adequately in the private sector, all emerging markets have seen a shift in capital flows from aid to private flows, do you see that happening in Africa and how can governments enhance this engine of growth?
DW Africa, like many areas went through a period of very rapid history after independency, including some fairly horrific incidences of being shafted by the international community and as a result some countries then experimented with very centralised economic planning and some of that still has not really gone from countries. One of the major things that has to happen is allowing some rules to be slightly relaxed at a local level for example, access to credit to be made less bureaucratic. At local level it is not lack of resources, it is rules that impede people from having access to resources that are available. There is a tendency for governments to control more than is necessary. Some of that may be because there are so few areas that they can control that the areas they can they want to deal with that so I think. Africans are very capable capitalists in very difficult situations and one of these avenues is allowing that survival spirit, encouraging it, giving it more fertile soil to operate in. Regulating it so that you don’t have bandit capitalism, you don’t privatise the land only to make the rich richer. It has to be done in a way that promotes social justice.
2.7 JBR But how do you actually get people to come to Africa to invest, if you look at total FDI in 2000, Africa received only 1% whereas it has 12% of the world’s population? How do you get people to bring money into the continent and money that stays there for some time?
DW I think the danger is that
2.8
JBR After the Iraqi war, with Pax Americana firmly established,
what should
DW Africans are starting to recognise
that if they are going to wait for the rest of the world to solve their
problems they will have a very long wait and be very disappointed. There is a new generation of African leaders
taking that responsibility, saying we have got to decide what to do and what is
important to us. I think that is a very
encouraging sign, I think if that dynamic can be supported so that there is a
degree of collective focus then
3.1 JBR Why after building such an impressive organisation did you abdicate your position?
DW I am not sure it is a case of abdicating, it is more a question of stages and profile. My role was to help with the change management of the organisation and I think the core of the changes we have just about seen through. What is needed now is somebody who is much better networked and can take forward the whole aspect of working in alliance with others. I am very pleased to say that my successor, Kamal Singh, who is South African, is extremely well connected with a wide range of networks and alliances around Africa and internationally. It is really exciting handing over to somebody who is simply more appropriate for the next phase so I think it is a natural progression of having come in to do a particular job, and having a new person to do the next phase.
3.2 JBR I understand that you are still playing a part in the organisation, what do you do for Acord now and how long do you intend to carry on in this role?
DW I am still a Director till the end of June and then will see what happens, whether I take on any role after that. Certainly I will be providing moral support even though I am not working there full time.
3.3 JBR Obviously you are very young to be calling it a day so what is your next venture?
DW No idea, I am too busy with this change. I will take a couple of months off and then decide after that
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